In an interview Wednesday with Tim Sebastian — host of the program ”Conflict Zone” on German public broadcaster Deutsche Welle — former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was at his worst. Not only did he fail at his initial attempt to field Sebastian’s hostile questions; he ended up using the rhetoric of Israel’s sworn enemies to answer them.
Sebastian, who was in Israel and the Palestinian Authority this week to record a series interviews pertaining to the anniversary of the Six-Day War (or, as the DW website referred to it, “50 years after Israel captured East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza”), pounded on Barak to acknowledge that the 1967 war was an act of Israeli aggression, and that Israeli government control over a Palestinian population that has no say in its election is immoral.
Rather than blasting Sebastian for misrepresenting the entire issue, Barak replied, “I do not start my consideration from the moral issues.”
”Why not? You don’t care about morality?” Sebastian asked.
”I care about morality,” Barak said. “But I care more about our very survival in life. And I should tell you that I do not disagree with the bottom line of what you are trying to kind of somehow argue. The situation that has been created is such that Israel faces a choice. If we keep controlling the whole area from the Mediterranean to the River Jordan, where some 13 million people are living — 8 million Israelis, 5 million Palestinians, that if only one entity reigned over this whole area, namely Israel, it would become inevitably — that’s a key word, inevitably — either non-Jewish or non-democratic…”
Sebastian interjected, “But the state you have at the moment is an apartheid state, isn’t it?”
Barak nodded and continued: “It’s not yet an apartheid [state], but it might come on the slippery slope toward apartheid.”